"I'm merely pointing out that humans are relatively good at coming up with ways of doing things (better than nature) on just the knowledge that the result is possible. That would be an evolutionary approach - as used by nature (QED)...."

"An alternative example: flight. Man observes birds, concludes flight is possible. Builds various machines, eventually gets into the air. Do we know the inner workings of the bird? - I don't think so. Do we need to? - to fly, no...."

"It's an abstract mathematical model - where exactly does entropy factor into that? Mathematics exists outside physics. Kev."

"Maybe you can see that, but repeating your claim isn't making it work any better for me. I don't see these systems as the same because PolyWorld is an abstract mathematical model of a world, and is not subject to normal physical laws...."

"Regardless of your opinion of me, you have still not stated what celestial evolution/physics has to do with evolution in PolyWorld where normal rules don't apply. Kev."